IP in the Metaverse – Ep. 45 [Podcast]

Summary:

Who would have ever thought that Neil Stevenson, the author of Snowcrash, a dystopian cyber-punk novel from 1992 would define the term, “Metaverse,” as the place that we would all eventually be living. On this episode, we’re joined by the great Anna Fong to discuss IP and the Metaverse.

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Raymond Guarnieri:

Who would’ve ever thought that Neil Stevenson, the author of Snow Crash, a dystopian cyber punk novel from 1992, would define the term metaverse as the place that we would all eventually be living. We’re here with the great Anna Fong to discuss IP and the metaverse. This is Stuff You Should Know About IP.

Raymond Guarnieri:

As you’re planning out your second life in the metaverse, don’t forget to schedule at least eight hours a day for Stuff You Should Know About IP, the fastest growing podcast about intellectual property in both the real world and Mark Zuckerberg’s fantasy land. Today’s episode of Stuff You Should Know About IP is brought to you by the Patent Lawyer Magazine. If you want to stay up to date with everything that’s going on in the world of IP and patents, go to www.patentlawyermagazine.com. Each issue is free to read for up to eight weeks. That’s www.patentlawyermagazine.com for global news in the world of patents. Okay. Anna, Tom, let’s talk about Mark Zuckerberg’s alternate reality that he’s creating.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, well it’s funny because-

Raymond Guarnieri:

I’m sure there’s others involved, but it’s just-

Thomas Colson:

Oh, yeah.

Raymond Guarnieri:

… just too easy to single out Mark Zuckerberg.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, let’s single out Mark Zuckerberg as the king of the new metaverse, right?

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yes.

Thomas Colson:

So before we launch into the IP stuff, just for some people who might not be thinking about the metaverse all the time, think of the metaverse as kind of an immersive virtual reality where people will, and this sounds crazy, but live. And here’s what I mean by that. Right now, we already have metaverses, kind of like metaverse type things. I remember in 2004-ish, my old friend, Irv Leonard, used to work for a metaverse type FedEx plane delivery service. And he would actually have scheduled hours where he would have to fly planes for FedEx in this virtual reality, and he was kind of stressed about it, like, “I got to get there, I got to do my flying,” and he would land the plane. It was a whole immersive experience for him. And then of course, we have people playing Fortnite five or six hours a day. Friends of my kids are doing that right now. They’re buying skins or clothing for their avatars. They’re buying weapons. I mean, they’re already doing it.

Thomas Colson:

And what Mark Zuckerberg is creating them is this world where people will probably do the things like come home from work at six o’clock, strap in, and maybe that’s a body suit, maybe there’s implants you put in, and essentially spend the next six or seven hours in the metaverse, socializing, watching movies, buying stuff, going into stores, going to college, right? Going to college in the metaverse, right? Because the metaverse is a place that, in theory, eliminates all kinds of physical inequities that we have today. If you’re too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, too bald, right? I could have hair in the metaverse. Okay? I could have a beard. I could actually grow a full beard in the metaverse. I’m 5’7. I would love to be 6 feet 2. I could be that in the metaverse. It eliminates all of these uncomfortable… I have acne, I have BO, I have whatever. I don’t have any of those things in the metaverse, right? I’m my perfect self.

Thomas Colson:

So it eliminates all these physical inequities, but then maybe it creates other inequities, right? Other types of inequities will emerge. But essentially, so this is a world that some people might live in full-time, so the question is, what about IP? Right? What about IP implications? So Anna, why don’t you give us some of your thoughts on what are the intellectual property implications of having a place that maybe many of us live 8, 10, 12, 15, 18, 24 hours a day?

Anna Fong:

Well, but definitely for IP in the metaverse, there are definitely a lot of things that are still questionable and people don’t understand about it, right? Yeah. There’s, I mean, patent, we don’t know about that. There are people who are creating the metaverse that is building up whatever that you’re talking about. In fact, actually, you mentioned about meta just now. I would actually imagine that people are not starting to enter the metaverse after the office hour at six. I think Mark Zuckerberg would want people to step into the universe at 9:00 AM in the morning where they can start working and they can start workshop discussion, and so on, right? And so it starts much earlier.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, they actually have a job. So they might actually have a job in the metaverse, right? They’re making their cold calls in the metaverse, they’re working somehow in the metaverse, right?

Anna Fong:

Precisely. And in fact, actually, I know people, I mean, I read somewhere that people are actually doing this now. They’re wearing their VR and they’re actually spending eight hours, the full hours of working hours, in the metaverse where they can resize their screen, multiple screen, and so on. They’re doing this now, and then they have a product doing that. And the reason why they said they can do this and they want to do this is because he has a cat at home and the cat will mess around the desktop and so on, so this metaverse actually is a very good way to avoid this [crosstalk 00:05:50]

Thomas Colson:

Avoid cat problems, right?

Anna Fong:

Yeah.

Thomas Colson:

I mean, I’m certain that Mark Zuckerberg, in his board meeting with all of his brilliant scientists, was explaining how this is to overcome cat problems, right?

Anna Fong:

Well, it can also overcome the babies problems. I have a baby at home. Sometimes in the meeting that she will scream and cry, and then maybe in the metaverse, he cannot come into my meeting. And so he cannot appear in front of the camera.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Right.

Anna Fong:

So that’s much better. But I mean, going back to IT, I think the much talked about issues now for IT in the metaverse is the trademark issues, right? Because big brands are starting to file patents in specific class for virtual goods and so on, and we tell goods that they can sell online. The question is… I mean, the question I think I have is, does it mean that you have to file this additional class for virtual goods and for all the jurisdictions? Because we know that matter words is supposed to be orderless, no particular jurisdiction, but we know IT is jurisdictional. So does it mean that when we apply for class, let’s say 9 or class 35, do we have to no file a broad class? So that means for big brands, I mean, they can afford, but still substantial amount of money, right? So it’s really a big step that they have to think about.

Thomas Colson:

That’s a great question, Anna. I mean, think about it. What you’re saying really is not, what is the metaverse? Where is the metaverse? Right? Because imagine this, imagine this, because yes, you’re right, class 9 and class 35. I think class 9 is for downloadable virtual goods and class 35 is for retail stores with virtual goods. But imagine Mark Zuckerberg… I mean, first of all, where does this exist? What laws govern? Where are the servers hosted? I mean, ultimately, is that the question? If the servers are in the US, it’s US law, if the servers are in Singapore, it’s Singapore law, et cetera? Because that’s really the cool question about this. What if Mark Zuckerberg decides he is going to hide the servers? He’s not going to tell anybody where they’re located, right? He’s going to figure out a place that he could have these servers and no one knows where they are. In that case, which law governs, right?

Anna Fong:

But would it be possible that it’s not about the server, it’s about where the user is?

Thomas Colson:

Well, the question is users though are everywhere, right? And it’s not realistic that… I think there’s 193 countries that are part of the UN, or something like that. You can’t get 193 trademarks. No one can afford that, right?

Anna Fong:

That’s a question that we have.

Thomas Colson:

Right. No one can afford that. [crosstalk 00:08:40] Right. So yeah, I mean, it’s hard enough to get a trademark application filed and prosecuted in one country for most companies.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah.

Thomas Colson:

I mean, a good example is, a few months ago, or a few weeks ago, we did a podcast on Wendy’s, which is a huge US chain-

Raymond Guarnieri:

I was going to say, yeah.

Thomas Colson:

… that has places all over the world. They couldn’t get a trademark in the Netherlands because of a small little shop that had a trademark on Wendy’s for a hamburger shop. So the question is, what law will govern this metaverse? Will it be Zuckerberg law? Will he be the king and he creates his own intellectual property laws, ultimately? Because right now, you can file in the US. I have a US… I can get a US trademark on executive IP, our trademark for our training services. But you’re in Singapore, right, Anna?

Anna Fong:

Yeah.

Thomas Colson:

Are you bound by my trademark in the US when you’re in Singapore?

Anna Fong:

Of course not.

Thomas Colson:

Absolutely not.

Anna Fong:

[inaudible 00:09:41] I can establish executive IP here.

Thomas Colson:

Right. Exactly. You could establish an executive IP in Singapore with that trademark. But the point is, if we’re in the metaverse… What if I have a college in the metaverse. People’s strap in, go to college in the metaverse. And I call my college dystopia. Okay? Dystopia University. Where do I get my trademark for Dystopia University? I get it in the US. Are you bound by that, Anna? You’re in the metaverse in Singapore. Can you start a competitive Dystopia University in Singapore?

Anna Fong:

Well, but it’s still a metaverse and that there’s probably no metaverse in Singapore. Metaverse is going to be together, I suppose.

Thomas Colson:

That’s the point though.

Anna Fong:

I don’t know where they have jurisdiction within the universe.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah.

Thomas Colson:

Right. So who governs though?

Raymond Guarnieri:

So is the metaverse in Singapore, or is it-

Thomas Colson:

Because like you said, Anna, shouldn’t it be based upon the person, where they are?

Anna Fong:

Where they’re infringing, that’s what I mean.

Thomas Colson:

I know. I think it’s a really interesting question. So I called my buddy Bob Simpson, who’s one of the smartest guys I know, he’s an intellectual property lawyer. And I said to Bob, “Where is the metaverse?” And his answer, “I have no idea.” I said, “Well, okay.” I said, “Forget the metaverse. How do you define whose law governs the metaverse? Is it where the servers are?” His response, “I have no idea.”

Anna Fong:

But just a mentioned that, if it is Mark Zuckerberg who is defining the law because he’s creating the platform. And now of course, we all know in the news that is working together with policy makers and try to make the law, I mean, from the start, as you mentioned. But I guess ultimately what they’re trying to do, how they’re going to implement it is going to be the contractual law that is signed between the metaverse platform and the users and et cetera, right? So actually, it reduces due contract law.

Thomas Colson:

Okay. So then who governs the contract law?

Anna Fong:

Yeah, that’s the question.

Thomas Colson:

Right? Because you’re right. Mark Zuckerberg could have contracts with us, but there’s different contract laws in different countries, and he’s not God, right? He’s not the king. He’s not a dictator. He’s just a guy with a lot of money in a big brain. So then the question is, who would govern that law? And that’s a really sticky wick it, right? Because somehow, there has to be,,, what I think is cool about this is, there might be a universal-

Raymond Guarnieri:

Uh-oh. Tom, you froze.

Thomas Colson:

Let’s get together and say, “Hey, we’re all going to-“

Raymond Guarnieri:

Hey, Tom, you froze. You got to go back.

Thomas Colson:

Oh, okay. I don’t know where I froze [crosstalk 00:12:38]

Raymond Guarnieri:

You froze right at, “There’s a universal-“

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. Yeah. There’s a universal trademark law. Imagine all the UN nations get together, 193 or so, I think, and they say, “We’re going to all agree that we can’t make people get 193 trademarks to have a metaverse trademark. Let’s agree on one.” And what if this trademark law that becomes something in the metaverse becomes an international law, right? Because if you have a trademark in the metaverse, and Anna’s looking at Dystopian University and she’s like, “Oh my God, I want a copy that, because I’m in Singapore and not the US,” well then, the universal metaverse law for intellectual property will say, no, there’s only one rule for every nation in the metaverse, and that is this, whatever that is. We come up with a trademark law. We come up with a copyright law. And oh, Anna, we come up with a contract law for you, because you’re probably right. It’s going to be governed by contract. So all these nations are finally forced to get together and do what everybody really wants to do anyway, which is only file one patent application, one trademark application, one copyright application worldwide [crosstalk 00:13:49]

Anna Fong:

My question for you is that, who’s going to enforce that?

Thomas Colson:

Wow. Yeah, it’s a great question. Who enforce it? Now we need a meta court, right? So walk in with your avatar, you stand at plaintiff’s table, the other avatars at defense table, there’s an avatar that’s the judge, and we have metaverse court. It’s almost like we need an entire nation which is the metaverse, with a constitution, with courts, with intellectual property laws and contract laws and police. Because think about that, stopping infringers, right? You don’t have humans doing it. You have bots doing it, right? So you don’t even need to have humans search… Right now, Getty Images is a company that searches the internet for people stealing their images, and then they send them cease and desist letters. They have these bots that are always searching the internet, right? In the metaverse, it would be easy to detect trademark infringement because we just set up our universal metrics or laws or rules on trademark infringement and the AI would take care of it, right?

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah.

Thomas Colson:

AI-

Anna Fong:

If it is that simple, then I think that all the companies would like it.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. AI would become the police. AI would govern the metaverse, because humans would set up rules and AI would govern it. So it would automatically take down trademark infringing site, store sign. You’re stealing a copyright? Bam, not only do you get fined, but your copyright gets taken down by AI. AI becomes the police. [crosstalk 00:15:25], do you want to live in a world where AI owns you?

Anna Fong:

Well, I guess that’s going to be very, very time from… Maybe I don’t live anymore when that happens, right?

Thomas Colson:

No, you will, Anna. And your daughter, 18 months old, right?

Anna Fong:

Yeah, yeah. That’s right.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. What’s her name?

Anna Fong:

Isabel.

Thomas Colson:

Isabel might have to deal with the AI police in the metaverse.

Anna Fong:

Yes, she will.

Thomas Colson:

… where she’s spending her entire life.

Anna Fong:

That’s right. But I guess what is more closer to our time is probably… Perhaps the police…. I mean, of course nowadays, because of the IT rise is always adjudicated by courts and so on, but they’re also alternative ways to solve the dispute, right? You can go for arbitration, et cetera. Maybe for metaverse, at the beginning at least, I guess arbitration and all that, the certain things might be one way, because… And by that, you can actually decide which law to use, et cetera. You can also state it down in the contract, right?

Thomas Colson:

Well, yeah. But keep in my though, under our new universe, under our new plan, Anna, we are already going to have 193 countries adopt a constitution for the metaverse. Okay? So it’s already going to be created then, within seven years from today. What is it? It’s March 4th, 2022. On March 4th, 2029, there will be a universal constitution for the metaverse, which includes intellectual property laws and we [crosstalk 00:17:04]

Raymond Guarnieri:

Is this a prophecy?

Thomas Colson:

What’s that?

Raymond Guarnieri:

Are you prophesying right now, Tom?

Thomas Colson:

Yes. And we permit-

Anna Fong:

We’ll check seven years later.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. Yeah. We permit AI. We all agree that AI is going to police intellectual property rights, because they’re better at it, right? I mean, humans are so scatterbrained and vague, right? We’re just not certain on things. But AI… If you watch Terminator, you know this, AI is brutally certain, right? And we create the rules for AI. And then there will be some master programmers that can tweak it when it’s gone awry. So, but Ray, when we have our March 4th, 2029 podcast in the metaverse-

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah, I’ll schedule it now-

Thomas Colson:

… we can go back to this prophecy.

Raymond Guarnieri:

… and we can do an update. It’ll be like a time capsule of Stuff You Should Know About IP.

Thomas Colson:

That’s right. That’s right. Exactly.

Anna Fong:

We’ll see.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, so there’s-

Raymond Guarnieri:

If we’re even allowed to. We might be banned from talking about it.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. But yeah, it’s funny you say that, Ray, because the other thing I had in my list to mention was, imagine how powerful cancel culture will be. Right now, if you say the wrong thing, you’re blocked from Twitter and Instagram and Facebook by the gods of Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. But could you imagine, if people are in the metaverse, there’s one nation, one law that we all agree to in the metaverse. And then a certain fringe group becomes dominant and they don’t like certain speech, you get canceled immediately. We might be canceled. The three of us might be so outdated that we’re canceled on March 4th, 2029 when the revolution occurs and the metaverse takes over.

Raymond Guarnieri:

It’s interesting because theoretically, based on your hypothesis here, you would not even be able to infringe in the first place.

Thomas Colson:

Yes.

Raymond Guarnieri:

I mean, if the AI is that powerful, I mean, we’re talking about like a utopian version of the metaverse-

Thomas Colson:

Or it would it be dystopian.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Well, yeah. Those two things are oddly similar, right.

Thomas Colson:

Right.

Raymond Guarnieri:

But you wouldn’t even be able to infringe in the first place, but again, it really just comes down to who’s making the rules. I mean, because okay, it’s the AI, but who’s making the AI?

Thomas Colson:

Right. Yeah. Yeah. All these nations would have to get together and program the rules. But you’re right, Ray. I didn’t even think of that. The moment you put your sign up on your store, blah, it would be gone.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Right. So I have a question that sort of brings us a little bit back to today, to reality, right?

Thomas Colson:

Okay.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Because we’re way off in [crosstalk 00:19:56]

Thomas Colson:

To the real verse, right?

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah, to the real verse. So there’s different, I guess, forms of the metaverse. There isn’t necessarily, the way I understand, just one metaverse. So there’s meta, which is Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, and that’s like a platform. It’s like a Fortnite owned by a different company is a sort of metaverse where there’s commerce, there’s people doing things, it’s a game. But let’s just look at meta. Meta is Facebook, which is an American company. When you sign up for it, you agree to a use policy, a privacy policy and all that. Are those things based on… I don’t know the answer. I’m putting this out to you guys. Are those things based on US law. And if you’re in Europe, are you agreeing by signing up and checking that box to adhere by those laws? So would that be the way to define the jurisdiction then when it comes to IP rights?

Thomas Colson:

Where the company… Well, in the instance… So you’re kind of thinking of a multiverse where you have several different metaverses.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Right.

Thomas Colson:

Right? You have the [inaudible 00:21:17] metaverse, you have the-

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah.

Thomas Colson:

There’s 15 different companies in different countries that have metaverses, so then I guess it’d be the multiverse. But in that case, you’d say wherever the country is domiciled. Or whatever the company is domiciled, it would be that country’s laws that govern that metaverse, right?

Raymond Guarnieri:

Right. And just like parts of the internet are banned in certain countries-

Thomas Colson:

Right.

Raymond Guarnieri:

… or websites are banned. There could be certain metaverses that are only allowed in certain places.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, unless there becomes one metaverse. That’s what I’m getting at. I guess it doesn’t really matter. I guess it would be better to have 15 or 20 metaverses, because then if you get killed in one, you could still go to another one, right? Or there could be metaverses for hard right people and metaverses for hard left people, and you could spend your entire life in utopia for your own particular ideology, right? Then it is your utopia. There’s some metaverses storming the capital, some metaverses burning down this or that. I mean, every different ideology has a metaverse, right? That’s kind of a cool concept. And in that case, it might be easier to have the nation where that company is domiciled use those laws, right? But if there’s one metaverse for the world, that creates a more interesting and complicated problem.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah.

Thomas Colson:

Because then Anna [crosstalk 00:22:51] Yeah. Go ahead, Anna.

Anna Fong:

I’m thinking that if that is the case, it depends on the downside of the company, then the company can choose where to establish the company, right? A lot of people establish companies in Bermuda and so on. And then they can choose a country where the law favor them for this platform, and so on.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. Right. And there are laws on that already, where a company exists. And in that case, it would probably be a lot easier. But again, I’m thinking of the metaverse, which is a worldwide platform, because that’s probably what Zuckerberg wants. He wants people of all-

Raymond Guarnieri:

Tom, you froze again.

Anna Fong:

[crosstalk 00:23:47]

Raymond Guarnieri:

We’ll edit this out.

Thomas Colson:

Lost again?

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yeah. You’re okay. You’re back now. “Of all nationalities…” Oh no, you froze again. Must be something going on with his internet.

Anna Fong:

Yeah. Not sure whether he’s at home.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Oh, he dropped. Oh. Okay, now you’re back.

Thomas Colson:

Sorry about that. So the big question is where is it? Right? Where is the metaverse? That’s what, I guess… That’s what [inaudible 00:24:28]. And it looks like my internet is so unstable I can’t have a continuous conversation, but I definitely question where is it?

Raymond Guarnieri:

Yes. Yeah. I mean, that’s the big question. And thanks to Anna for bringing that up. The jurisdiction, I think, is probably the most confusing thing about this. What did… Were we going to talk at all about the, I guess, hardware implications of IP with the metaverse? Is there really much to say about that?

Thomas Colson:

Well, it’s the external, right? It’s the outside the metaverse to build the metaverse infrastructure.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Right.

Thomas Colson:

There’s a ton of companies filing patent applications on the goggles, right? You have your virtual reality and your augmented reality goggles. I’m guessing there’s going to be body suits so that you can feel all the stuff. There’s going to be brain implants. There’s going to be chemicals. There’s going to be all kinds of stuff on how you can live in and experience the metaverse as if it was real. And I’m sure all that stuff is going to be patented, but still, it’s tricky, because where is the metaverse? Where do [inaudible 00:25:48] now. I guess that’s more like what Anna said. If Anna is in Singapore wearing goggles, Singapore law would probably govern whether she could wear those goggles in Singapore, right, Anna? Because there’s IP laws in Singapore that govern make, use, and sell, and all that stuff.

Anna Fong:

Yeah. Yeah. I guess because that’s the… In that case, it’s the patent law. So is the use sell of the for sale import export and so on or [inaudible 00:26:15]. So if you, as a user, you are using it then… But of course, usually the user will not be accused of infringing. Usually it’s among the companies, the competitors, I suppose.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, that are selling it, right?

Anna Fong:

That’s right.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. You don’t want to go down… You don’t want to have somebody show up at your house and rip the goggles off your face and say, “You’re infringing.”

Anna Fong:

And the damages that you can get actually is how much is just that one device.

Thomas Colson:

Right.

Anna Fong:

[inaudible 00:26:43]

Raymond Guarnieri:

Is it possible-

Thomas Colson:

That’d be like a game of Whac-A-Mole, right? Every time you hit one down, another one pops up somewhere.

Raymond Guarnieri:

But is it possible for companies like Meta, say a metaverse provider or platform, to make it possible to only connect to their platform with certain approved devices?

Thomas Colson:

Oh, yeah.

Raymond Guarnieri:

I would assume that’s possible, right?

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. Except they might want to make it more of an open platform, kind of like the-

Raymond Guarnieri:

It might not be in their interest to do that.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right.

Anna Fong:

Unless [crosstalk 00:27:19] Apple know they have, they want to have their own proprietary system.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah, but I saw this movie about, this futuristic movie, where space was dominated by corporations and not nations. So XYZ company was super powerful. It’s like Microsoft. And ABC company is like Apple. And they’re the ones that govern space, because it’s like the new frontier and there’s no countries out in space. They’re just mining asteroids and stuff. And that’s kind of like the metaverse. Each metaverse will be created by its own company, maybe. That goes back to having a multiverse, like the Microsoft verse, the Apple verse, the [inaudible 00:28:06] verse, the Anna verse. Anna becomes rich and famous and creates her own metaverse. So then you’ll be up there with the big guys. So that though would be kind of like everybody might want their own proprietary stuff then, their own proprietary goggles to get into the Anna metaverse. But I think it more likely this is going to become a metaverse where everyone accesses the same place. And that’s where all the IP questions get very complicated.

Anna Fong:

I guess for… I mean, since we are talking about patents, right? Of course there will be patents on the AI, not AI, the AR, the VR, the hardware and user devices, but there will also be patents on the applications. I guess applications is probably… Because if you are talking about the hardware, there will just be a few companies that are working on it right now. And if you’re talking about the hardware stack, and media doing the chips, the GPU, et cetera, and maybe Microsoft Samsung, they have this kind of hardware patents they probably have built up a lot. I read somewhere that I think Samsung, they have currently about 300 patents in this kind of hardware stack, the GPU, stuff related to the metaverse. Microsoft also has about this size. So these big guys will be doing on that. But if we talk about the applications, the games, the social media enterprise, all these applications, then more companies can actually apply patents in this area. And maybe this can be a potential area where there can be disputes.

Thomas Colson:

Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. I think, yeah, it’s very complicated. It’s going to be an interesting next seven years from today before we’re all totally dominated on March 4th, 2029 by the metaverse, but it’ll be a fascinating seven years.

Raymond Guarnieri:

Prophet Tom Colson has spoken of what the future entails with the metaverse. And Anna, thanks for joining us with this podcast. This was a lot of fun, and it’s certain exciting and interesting to speculate about what’s going to happen. And there’s a lot we don’t know yet, so we’ll have to return to this in the future. If any of you out there have your own opinions about what’s going to happen with the IP implications related to the metaverse, please share it in the comments. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to us on your platform of choice. And thanks for listening to another episode of Stuff You Should Know About IP. Ciao.